During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a deviant sociopath.. I dont. There is her story, the prosecution case and the defense arguments. Again thats opinion, and neither balanced nor objective. As a rule, any child under the age of ten prompts counsel to question the competence of any testimony that child might give. Without the media blast and rush to judgment from the police and DAs office, we might have uncovered the truth. Mr. A trial should be based on facts and solid direct or circumstantial evidence. I lived in Eugene, Oregon for years. Sonny arrives at his restaurant and gives Dex, who is there, the night off. Ask them what they did to a good man. This is a scenario pretty hard to believe, but as they say, reality can sometimes be stranger than fiction. My opposition to movies about true crime stories is unshakable. But if the blogger is arguing that the blog is balanced and objective, thats patently untrue. For all my life I have thought I was not that smart, but now I can tell myself, hey cheer up could be worse. What I explain in the blog is that the fact that Foote is the one who removed the children from Dianes care is exactly why he should NOT have been presiding over her murder trial. 3. And she laughed at it by saying it was healthy to want to join the free world, especially if you proclaim your innocence. you quoted what diane said as to what happened When she resisted, he shot her kids and struggled with her. She was extremely intelligent but her emotional IQ was no match and her desire for freedom, love and affection were dangerously dragging her down a path of self-destruction. A demonstration in court strongly suggested: Suggested, not confirmed. She claimed she . In fact, watching that was the first time I heard her voice and saw her presence, it was a year or so later that old interviews showed up on YouTube. The cops admitted that they never investigated the tips about a bushy haired stranger. Im not arguing the facts of the trial, and Im not about to. What this is evidence of is one more piece of the overwhelming amount of bias that was involved from the start of the case. Thank you Lise. 1) Gunshot residue/blood splatter. Melvin Belli How things could have been different. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics.. It wasnt until Prosecutor Hugi said Dr. Jamison had labeled Diane a deviant sociopath that Mr. The most recent tape of her daughter is not admissible because it is never allowed to bring out tapes that were obtained this way. But there was a lot left unsaid about this relationship. CMOH said 2 doses = minimal protection against infection . The problem with high profile cases is that the media, the DA, the cops and authors like Ann Rule dictate the narrative and it becomes almost impossible to look any other way unless you are a critical thinker devoid of emotions related to the case. That is pure bullshit. They hardly investigated any other lead after a couple of weeks. They were in foster care for two years before the prosecutor adopted them. but later you claim Diane was inside the car and shot the kids in the car and that that BECAUSE she was inside the car she should have had blood splatter on herso WHICH IS IT, I dont know which it is Libby. The scene described in Small Sacrifices with little Christie hooked up to a machine and her pulse accelerates because she is terrified ofher mother is doubtful and subject to interpretation. I know several foster parents and social workers. Fingerprints at the crime scene were not produced by the State. I think it would give the blog more integrity and transparency. Diane had spent three days in the hospital ingesting massive doses of Morphine, Demerol, Percodan, and visterol. If a person were innocent of the crime they were convicted of this puts them in a no-win situation. On May 30, 1983, the McKenzie-Willamette Hospital Chaplain told Dianes father to hire an attorney because the State was going to take his grandchildren away. What about the affidavits of the guy who confessed to several people? To have separated Christie from her brother and the rest of the family to be able to get her mom was unconscionable. And if you add the fact that they never found the gun, it doesnt leave much evidenceto back upthe theory that she was the shooter. I watched the paroles hearing in 08, was lucky to find it, it was streamed live at the timemy sister, who is a whiz with computers, found it for me. In a fairly good knot which would have taken time to do one handed and teeth. 3. He has lived a life outside the public eye and hasn't ever come out to give interviews to the media about his ex-wife. And Steven was free to follow her lead or not. After arriving at the nearest hospital where the nursing staff and doctors attended to the children, the police were called in and her parents arrived promptly. Apparently drug mafia wanted to punish her for messing her nose in forbidden places, not because she was getting any real business in that but simply because she had one of the poorest judgements a person can have. I base a lot on what I see and hear from her in her own words in footage of a 28 yr old woman. You indicated you were not going to get a divorce? She keeps her emotions under tight control, presenting only socially acceptable feelings and burying other contradictory feelings.. It became judicial kidnapping to obtain a coerced confession. He could then have initiated the licensing process to foster and then adopt the children. No matter how much Ive read, or how many of her constant at the time interviews I watch on YouTube, the things that come from her brain to her mouth never cease to amaze me. For example, the abhorrent decision regarding Keli Lane: https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.whimn.com.au/talk/news/why-i-think-keli-lane-should-not-be-in-prison/news-story/069a09c79589645c48de5bfa91e4ca0f. But the fact that the prosecutor called her a deviant sociopath in court without any assessment became another nail in her coffin. Just similar stuff.and that I guess, makes it easy for me to see how that song could of fueled her up.never underestimate the power if a song..what feels intense and exciting to you, may not to another, but shoot, anytime I hear pink floyd run like hell.takes me right back 1991 in the heat of my chase..for me, I got the answers I wanted from 89 when my friend said that about the Duran song and it involved in that case. We make them president. that you told Diane to tell steve that she was Knicks So it was a relentless game totry to reel her in. All of it is explained in the blog you didnt bother reading. So the hell with no gun, no GSR, no blood and no witnesses except a sick child who denied knowing who shot them until she could not anymore and happened to be adopted by the prosecutor; making it look like she could never change her mind and reveal that she has no memory of the shooting and maybe have the case reversed. Mainly because the courts have to give every chance possible and all the services necessary to the bio family to try to preserve the relationship. Even on a worldwide scale, the age of accountability is considered to be twelve years old. And what happened to her little daughter is beyond unethical. I care about the experts reports written about Diane because they know her situation and mental state. This does not make her innocent. It is not because a defendant is found guilty or disliked that it is acceptable to bend the rules. Why is there virtually no info on him? According to the state, the shooter was well inside the car and would have had gun powder on its clothing, body or hair if 3 people were shot in the car at close distance. Considering that the marks on the lethal bullets did not fit the bullet fingerprinting found in the rifle, this gun switcheroo was a good save for the state, but did not support the theory presented at trial either. According to Detective Welch, Steve Downs followed Diane to Oregon, they fought and Steves rage took the last step on the path hed been treading for a long time. No other shooter involved in her case. Even if I have no doubt that Hugi loved the kids, we have to wonder why he adopted them two years later just when little Christie started saying she had no clue who shot them. There were days she was unhappy to see the staff and her family because she was very ill. That poor girl had a lot of bad moments where she would cry constantly or trigger the machines and to have defined this single incident as one of terror instead of excitement over seeing her mom was biased and self-serving. The best policy for Diane Downs would have been to remain silent, but she fought back and smiled at the wrong time and according to them, enjoyed the attention. What about the facts of the case? It would be about November 20th that you would have gone back with Charlene, what, the next day? But I think that in all fairness, many of them dont even know the details of the case and have watched Small Sacrifices instead. I am glad you read it anyway and I appreciate your comment. Yep, Downs who was found guilty in 1984, escaped successfully from the Oregon Womens Correctional Center in 1987 and was transferred to Jersey afterwards. How one of them lied on the stand about ballistics? So Diane did what she thought would bring her the deepest satisfaction in life; she became a mother. If not from her high profile status, she would already be out. Evidence or not, they were going to do their best to put her away for life. You make an interesting observation when you say: Anyways. Anyways, I was 10 years old when this happened, I stayed with my aunt and uncle a lot in those years, in which they watched A LOT of nightly news programs.lol most of it was like white noise to me, as I would play with my barbies on their living room floorbut I do remember this story. There is also a recording where she says that she had no idea who shot them. No. If she was the shooter, it had to be proven beyond a reasonable doubt. Leaving out a lot of info that should be included and presenting a very one sided take on these things. The very suspicious aspect of this ballistic saga is that Hugi said they had the bill of sale and serial number for the first Ruger and it was definitely the murder weapon. Bear in mind, that arm consisted of two SHARP bones, cutting at nerves and muscle (1 of bone had been blown out of the arm when the bullet shattered it, leaving three jagged holes in the flesh, out of which bulged torn muscle, and two wedge shaped bones facing each other like dueling swords). I appreciate this whole blog just want to give you a heads up. In 1979, headstrong Diane gave birth to Danny who was not Stevens biological son because he had no desire to be a father again. Probably a 911 button. I cannot be more transparent than that and integrity was one of the missing pieces of the entire case. You are not the only one who thinks she is guilty and I know that getting their man at all cost is a popular mantra, but I disagree. Would you know at what speed you are going if you were shot and driving with wounded children in the car? document.getElementById( "ak_js_1" ).setAttribute( "value", ( new Date() ).getTime() ); Enter your email address to subscribe to this blog and receive notifications of new posts by email. She was interrogated without a representative from the defense and was not taped for the most part. Being interested in a subject without bringing emotions to the table is always the most important step. This is to avoid the conflict of interest that we read about above. Downs was constantly provoked by inmates because of the nature of her situation, and she never once attacked or defended herself in a violent manner. Page 26 of Case History. (I know that wasnt brought up this time but it usually is.) $20.00 at Gamestop $37.01 at Walmart $59.99 at Best Buy. So, were there any other attempted carjackings in the area that night? But people never want to touch the high profile cases where the defendant is not likable. This was the prosecution and conviction of (Elizabeth) Diane Downs who has now been incarcerated for too many years in one of Californias (overcrowded) State prisons. Many individuals associated with the the child welfare system, for one reason or another, choose to adopt children. What matters to me is that her rights were trampled during her trial. They should have looked for a possible accomplice and checked all the leads. It appeared rigged and the fact that Ann Rule sat in the courtroom ready to produce a Masterpiece of Guilt could only help the prosecution. Dianewas jealous ofthe other woman, but Robert Knickerbockers wife said that she foundher rather friendly during their encounter. Not optional, kids should not be in limbo that long, but it happens all the time. Master Chief actor Pablo Schreiber has said he won't do an impression on the Halo TV show, suggesting he won't try to . In fact, if appropriate family is found, termination is not required. On June 2nd, 1983, Juvenile Court Judge Gregory Foote held a hearing to take Christie and Danny away from ALL blood family (thus isolating them). Reduces conflict because communication is limited. I like your approach. It should be illegal to use real names and facts from a criminal case while influencing the publicto falselybelieve that the whole content of the filmis true. Because she seemed "aloof". I am posting Jamesanswer: Yes the allegations were said and you cannot take back what was saideven if retracted Even more now with hindsight because of the gun and the fact that her daughter kind of recanted by demonstrating that if pushed, she will say what is expected of her. There have many times children have had to testify against their parents so the fact that many cant believe it was ever allowed should honestly research more. I find it interesting for you to observe this because it should be more scientific and empirical today than it was in the 80s, but is it really? You can click here to read about the case of Alice Crimmins during which the lead detective was heard telling the other cops before the bodies of the children were ever found:You take the husband, Ill take the bitch.. So they did everything in their power to slant the media and the public in their favor. A demonstration in court strongly suggested that the shooter had to be left-handed to have been able to shoot in the car at the right angle. Ffs maybe u should go back to writing screenplays. It took months to get Christie to say that her mother was the culprit and that is when they arrested Diane. To Lisa Griggs I did not shoot my children.. Cathleen was murdered in Feb. 1982 in her home in Brighton. Is Diane really a threat anymore? Do you remember about two days after that the two of you signing a lease on the apartment? On May 19, 1983, Diane and her kids visited a friend to look at her new horse, and then went for a drive; not at all unusual for this family not living according to middle class rules. Gun shot residue is not always present. Why didnt they mention that he said a bad man and whatever else in his condition when they knew it was not possible? You cant possibly shake off all the gun powder residue and avoid all the blood. In hindsight Im sure the grandparents wish they had pursued visitation more aggressively. Or that they are not even curious about it. Diane had consulted a psychologist after the tragedy and after months of consultation, she was never diagnosed as a sociopath. I saw that same face in Diane Downs. I am not from USA, never have been there, but my impression is that in USA media are far more powerful than the justice system and rational thinking is crushed by easy emotional moods, stereotypes and a hunger for violence coated in a pompous moral attitude. No way. Ann Rule has always been sensationalist, and her books were almost unreadable at the end of her publishing days. An earlier commenter wrote that it doesnt matter that the trail or the investigation was faultyWHAT !? CK allowed DD to drive away despite the fact she could identify him and he had a gun? Interesting that the article has one of the same elements that Diane perpetrated when she drove to the hospital the night of the murders she made more of a fuss about her arm injury than she did about one of her kids dying and two of them being gravely and permanently wounded. The prescribed normal dosage for a full grown man is 30 milligrams per day. Ms. Downs makes every effort to avoid emotional stimuli in order to reduce the demands made on her. Speculative. Jeff, you mention being harsh as if there was a justification for it. If you read the blog, you will see many examples of media hype and character assassination. But her behavior became the most important factor in the investigation that followed. Clickhere to read about faulty ballistics. It could be argued that he developed a relationship with the children and genuinely wanted them to join his family. I will not remove anything. Yes, like many Americans, I think that the US system is barbaric. Saudi Princesses in Captivity for More Than a Thousand and One Nights Are Tweeting the Blues, Having recently done research on the Liysa Northons case which was the subject of a book written by Ann Rule titled, Some 287 errors and falsehoods were documented by Liysa and verified by official sources. I go fishing with a jurors husband. Now in hindsight, seeing footage on youtube, especially the interview she did with the reporter Anne Jagger, the things she says and facial expression is exactly described in the bookhad to find the section in the book, but on that note, Anne rule did site that interview correctly. I am a Mortuary science student, true crime fanatic, and have been following the Downs case since it happened. It seems they all went the easy way. Ann Rule did not leave a great legacy as far as honest reporting goes, and she is not the only one to have commercialized a criminal case for personal gain. I appreciate the way you dont try to determine guilt or innocence in your blogs but instead focus on due process and the right of all to a fair trial. If the police department had done their job properly, I would not have written this blog, no matter the outcome. So yes I think she did it, I think ration left her a long before she did itI think post pardum played in this, I think, she was scattered all over the map.againjust hearing it in her own words. But she suffered from mental illness and the circumstances were traumatic. Diane Downs is no exception. Considering the lack of evidence, it seems that she was condemned mostly because of herinappropriatestatements and behavior. Thanks for the link. Go reading US: The American Gulag, 26 Mar 2009 Exploding prison populations in the US serve a basic need of capitalism. The question is of course, how can we determine guilt or innocence without a fair trial? She was no mother of the year, I will grant them that, but a trial is supposed to be based on evidence. My guess is the grandparents were so overwhelmed with Dianes case that they let the system take care of the kids at first. Theybrought out the big guns to unload on the public, their idea of the truth: Diane Downs was a horrible creature and a jilted lover who shot her three children in cold blood to be free to pursue a relationship with the man she was obsessed with. One should also wonder why their biological father who was so eager to bash his ex on the stand was not given custody, and did not stay in contact with his two remaining children. I dont know the woman. If it was not such a high profile case, Diane Downs would have been paroled a long time ago, considering her good behavior and lack of priors. I was a patient of the doctor who worked so hard to save her childrens lives that night. And on this site, I mention that I take a restorative approach. Spending 35 years incarcerated with time in isolation and often as a target is not going to improve mental health. And if the fact that cops lied about the gun to close the deal did not bother you, it bothered me because this is not due process. It seems that a lot of what was written down never came up during testimony and some nurses even strayed from the original content. , The lovely Farrah Fawcett who played in the movie, Anne Rule might have inflamed the case with her book, Click to share on Twitter (Opens in new window), Click to share on Facebook (Opens in new window), The Diane Downs Case Was no Small Sacrifice. She had no priors and no history of violence in prison. It means you dont orphan the kids. A group of ladies formed a group called HELDD which stands for Help Exonerate & Liberate Diane Downs. He separated from his wife and was going to follow Diane who, by now, had decided to move and work in Oregon to be closer to her parents. This video has Dianes attorney, Jim Jagger, at 1 minutes and 20 seconds that might have some good shots. In the spring of 1986, Christie confided to school mates that shed been coerced to lie in court, to implicate her mother (Appendix 1-2). I am all for reviewing facts and getting a decision overturned in cases of corrupt decisions, and many people are on your side and find these cases totally worth their time. And the flat affect and sometimes inappropriate smiling would come with the territory so you cannot judge her actions without taking into account that she might not have been acting according to the norms. Diane had moved to Oregon only 6 weeks before the tragedy to work in the area and have her parents spend time with the kids. They were treated very badly in this matter. I know people who know or knew people is not a valid argument. I also wish that Dianes children have a great life. I saw footage of Diane herself laughing during the re-enactment of the crime. I remember when it was in the news. Years later, seven witnesses signed affidavits telling of a man named Jim Haynes continuing confessionthat he wasthe shooter, and his appearance boresimilarities to the sketch. All the reports and even the warden thought she was not a threat anymore. Considering the circumstances, it is difficult not to be a bit cynical about this grand gesture. She was not in the car when her children were shot. Their life without parole sentences are a dime a dozen and so randomly used that it beats any notion of justice for all. She was fighting back and they did not like it. It was kind of interesting to hear Mossimo Giannullis lawyer pleading to have his client sent home or put in general population because his mental health suffered drastically in solitary confinement because of covid after 56 consecutive days in solitary. Dianes father tried to hire Melvin Belli, but the judge refused to give him some time to prepare and come back to the US. She was expelled and reunited with him against her parents wishes. Of course, her mental health has deteriorated. The underlying basis of this article. It simply states the facts of the case. One of the jurors finally declared we started as a group and finished as a group., He also said we dont want to put pressure on the group, we dont want to end up bickering. Right after her first surgery, The Detectives were adamant that they HAD to have Diane right then to recreate the incident- unless of course, you have something to hide. I was curious as to what these requirements were, as I have not seen these online. Why would anyone think Christie could remember the night of the shooting anyway?? This really makes me angry, that prosecuter and judge should be sued along with the writter. While that makes her technically eligible for parole at some point (in her case 2009) it does not actually mean she has an end date or a release date. USA population seems to shun complex ethical problems preferring to deal with absolute evil in order to exert absolute power to crush it. I do not know what happened on Old Mohawk Road on that dark evening, but I know that they did not have enough evidence totry andconvict Diane Downs. The old toilet block which could be replaced by a cafe (Image: Adam Postans) A new caf planned for the Downs in Bristol would likely be blocked by a 160-year-old Victorian law . It is not a plus, but it is not a crime either. During Dianes examination at trial, Fred Hugi said in front of the jury, in the form of a question, that she had been diagnosed as a , Anne Rule made a big deal of a brass unicorn engraved with the childrens names that Diane had purchased. Steve Downs had allegedly stolen this gun from a friend named Billy Proctor, but after it was found and the ballistics did not match, Bill suddenly remembered keeping it only for a day before exchanging it for another Ruger automatic at a gun show in Mesa; which now meant that the gun that Diane allegedly used to shoot herself and the children, was still apparently nowhere to be found. It was all about Charlene wanting KnickKnick ~wanting Dianeand Diane wanting a return to the peace she had before Knick asked his wife for a divorce. They checked her shoes and they were clean. It was the story of two troubled young souls trying to survive without a safety net. time it was the situation was down. It deserved as much attention as a Unicorn, a song or all the other hearsay floating around because at least, they came from real people signing official documents. Or that the sketch did not resemble the suspect enough? Moreover, it was not a suicide case, but of a woman who supposedly shot herself in the arm and her 3 children several times. Foote refused 30 to 50 reports by detectives of sightings or leads about the shooter but admitted reports from people in Arizona willing to badmouth Diane. One of them named Angel, called 15-year-old Christie on the phone. The Cinemaholic reports that Steve was often known for being immature and irresponsible, something that didn't see their rekindled relationship get off to the best start. Not meaning to sound disrespectful, but you seem to be doing what you accuse Ann Rule of doing. This is also a faster route to give the children permanency, and is far cheaper for the child welfare system that is always strained by the budget. 4. 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